Subject: Barbara
criminy, what research i hadda do to get any implication that your return addr
had any chance of being other than fake.
good thing i have no life and can geek out like this.
I'm still not certain this is real but there is a server star-set to receive
e-mail for the domain, and it correlates with origin plus aol correlation; so
I'll give it a try.
So I'll try it out. I may be briefer than you were (!)
>wow.
ditto
>well, let's see.
ditto.
mcChink -- brilliant.
i'll bet you are often misunderstood.
let's see if i can maintain the status quo
>The "opposing viewpoint" links you've posted are from women who are more
irrationally angered
huh?
they get tons of hits and lots of support and they were all I had for equal
time, so I linked 'em
I regard them as authority.
LOOK at their sites vs. mine.
Image is substance so it is quite clear who has more.
I see you give me ZERO credit for providing equal time of any kind.
But rather, you find fault with them and somehow that further invalidates me?
You seem anti-generalization.
Why can't you invalidate me on my own personal merit instead of involving other
women's sites to do so?
Ah -- I guess the world is *about* women, so the focus will stay on women's
sites.
except in matters of blame and maligning -- that is what males are kept around
for.
> about men than you are about women.
so i am irrationally angered about women, per you.
so there is some kind of rational anger in the world, or is anything that
expresses feelings you don't like get labeled as irrational?
nothing is irrational, btw.
> That's to be expected, as it's your forum and you want to support your own
point
oooooooooooooo!
that's just to be expected because I am such a reduced whatever it is i am
reduced to.
somehow *I* am responsible for their sites, not them.
telling, yes indeedy, reads volumes.
> not all, not even
> a majority of women feel quite that way, or even remotely close to that way.
of course!
Pop Semantics 100A -- If a statement is a generalization it is inherently wrong.
makes the opposite of it become the truth.
yes yes i remember now
>very strongly that feminism is not solely about the empowerment of women
>releasing both men and women from the gender roles imposed on them.
yes yes yes i am that feminist
note that it is still put on me to be provider and warrior for a woman to even
acknowlege me.
i sure would like to transcend gender roles i would.
where are these feminists?
would they actually allow me to be other than the traditional male role?
i have never seen this; how i would love to.
women are liberated. this is not allowed me.
>> just ignore them like the psychos they are
the world does not ignore them
the world heeds them and ignores me.
but i should self-delude? I am important and they are not? wacko
> and please don't purport that they
> are the norm.
okay, let's suspend that notionl
what *is* the norm please?
> They are backlashing against the backlash that you
> participate in
great sentence.
i would like to understand it tho
elaborate please.
> and if the pattern continues, we'll all end up nuking each
> other
I will be 'nuked' before you.
you have my word.
>Your "bring on the flames" attitude is very telling... maybe you antagonize
women to get their attention,
yeah, like no chance any other guys share my views and are so totally relieved
that they found a correlating space in which they can express.
no chance of that, none, no.
since i am male, anything i do is easily reduced just as ploy to get chicks.
what convenience you are privy to!
> like a kid who starts misbheaving because
oh yes i am just a whimpering piece of childish immaturity.
on a good day.
> But it's clearly not an effective strategy.
hmm.
so you are not female after all?
what is the queen scene like round DC Mr. Chen?
> The assumptions and anger that run through your head
yes.
acafemics have Facts.
I just have assumptions.
yes. how well i already know.
>when you ask to be insulted are the same as the assumptions and anger that run
through those moron women's heads
no you are wrong
i value rant and the release it entails
*THOSE* women are the onces pining for attention
because the world is about women, they get it.
and when pop ppl are willing to give it, then the accusation of just wanting
attention is over-looked.
males don't have this advantage.
>kill men, and it's about as constructive.
what are you like some idealistic 20yo?
"a better world"?
nothing is going to be constructed.
slow decay of the world is all that is going to happen.
> sociopathic and utterly ignorable.
who is ignoring them?
you OPINE to me in this moment that they are ignorable.
"sociopathic"?
I must absolutely concede that is refreshing change from my usual "Women have
The Right to be angry!" that is the normal fare of my allegedly female-origin
mail.
thanks for that diversion. refreshing.
> Seriously, dude, these are not the women you are
> threatened by.
seriously, no one is tearing down their sites.
any thing that can be construed as anti-woman is a rallying point for the
masses.
it just happens that my ISP has a moslem site that draws more fire than mine,
and they believe in freedom of speech so far.
> There's a common enemy out there somewhere, and my
> opinion of what it is isn't really relevant here
totally disagree.
you seem to be pushing toward a "We are not so different you and i" thing here.
without the rallying point of the common enemy, how to thusly reconcile?
If there is a "they", it is VERY relevant who.
> You want my insults, but I just want the
> world to be a happier place
aha, i knew it!
i cannot share your dream.
i cannot fulfill my organic need for love and will remain unhappy.
therefore for me the happiness of the rest of the world is obscured.
i suppose removing me and other such males from the world would make it a
happier place.
hmm, you are master of subtlety, introducing that notion in such a round about
manner.
Instead of "kill men", a gentle euphemism -- "make the world a happier place"
I bow to your cunning.
You are certainly my intellectual superior.
> and I
> want you to be one of the happy people
on whim, perhaps.
i could only be made happier if you had meaningful intimate sex with me.
you won't.
but even if you did, there are multitudes of others just like me.
you couldn't service even a small portion of them even if that is all you ever
wanted nothing else and did only that and did not have to work.
so we're back to kill all men -- only cure for world agnst.
> and I want you to do it without
> thinking that women need to be out of the picture.
well you got me there, however roundabout.
yes, if there was some meditational trick or something I could do that would
truly clear me of the need for love and affection, i would be saved.
I would have gotten women 'out of [my mayan] picture'.
"Do it without......"
HAR HAR HAR!!!!
what a cunning roundabout rub!
really rubbing it in that I can not be loved.
First-rate insult -- best I have ever received.
I am sure you would wipe me out every time in push-hands.
Your skill is visible in your rhetoric
alpha-kudos.
>Your "statistics" about the current status of women are pretty
>undersupported and seem to flow mainly from your observations, which
oh yes of course.
statistics can be made to jump through hoops and you can prove either side of an
argument with them.
and if i read a statistic, for example, that 40% of FARMS in america, that
bastion of traditon and patriarchy, are *women-owned* -- well then, I just
"observed" that too
so it is just my observation, and not the "real" facts.
> I'm hoping you can understand are pretty biased, given your already-formed
thoughts on women.
yes i just made it all up out of a void with no other source than pure
creationism.
there is no basis for any of it other than my deliberate misdirection of things
without rhyme or reason.
>- The fact that up to 66% of college students are female does not prove
>your "point" unless you support it with a statistic about the percentage of
>college -applicants- that are female. If 66% or more of college applicants
>are female, then you have no argument here. Find that statistic and let us
>know.
there is a matter of confidentiality around that i would think.
and who is "us"?
> If men aren't applying to college, what's stopping them? My best
> guess is that they're figuring out that a college degree is
> increasingly
wait now -- I am just posturing conjecture and biased observation as facts per
you; but your best guess as to what is stopping men....
i demand a level playing field.
if you want to conject and guess and, above all in my priorities, *communicate*,
please do.
but i cannot accept you refuting same from me, assuming i am doing that.
>eventually won't be to women, because people of both genders get plenty far
>in their careers in fields either completely divorced from what they
>majored in, or they never finished college at all.
any put-down of the absolute sanctity of the coveted College Education that
Provides Perfect Life Everafter Every Time is heresy.
you are spitting in the face of your own gender to purport otherwise.
I'm all with ya if you wanna be a heretic.
But if you start tossing status-quo reverencies like this, then they all go.
>- I wouldn't be surprised if 60% of the workforce is female, because more
>women than men are left in a state of single parenthood and have to work to
>support children.
what does that mean?
so where are all these males without jobs?
in some limbo somewhere? eating cake?
(yes, per status-quo, but we're tossing that now)
they are very real and in very real prisons and homeless camps.
how on earth do you purport that some single motherhood thing just makes them go
away?
Back to 'the world is about women' I suppose
this is totally inconsistent.
you want a happier world -- yet you will sweep undesirednesses under rug.
I wanna hear the reconciliation of that ! I await
> "Workforce" is a pretty broad term and offers no insight
> into the types of jobs
OH - i see,
you are completely rich and well to do.
you know NOTHING about the reality of no job or death by cold cuz there is
nowhere to go and no money for food.
you are so high up that "type of job" somehow obscures fact of job (or no job).
wow. mind-blowing unawareness and/or side-stepping of reality.
maybe I have a chance at push-hands after all.
> but it's still not meeting the quality of
> jobs that men in general have.
bill gates is held up as the average male.
the average woman is held up as the average woman.
and this proves that men are better off.
*millions* of men with nothing just swept under your parlour rug.
> You seem to take exception to a woman lawyer
not a lawyer.
she did not do law school, nothing.
just some light clerical.
she only referes to the lawyers as the 'men' and deftly ignores the bike
messenger and printer boy.
and bemoans that the top few male figures and ignores the rest.
maybe you would get along with her.
> and she sees that systematically men who are less talented and
> capable than her are promoted above her because the firm knows that
they fought their way through law school and she did not.
but just being female should count more than that
> the man won't get pregnant
and that a huge percentage of the women they hire and must give four months pay
to for matern leave do not return, just pocket the cash and the firm gets
nothing except having to pay a big tariff just because women are special.
yes those companies are really evil, not wanting to just hand out all their
money for nothing in return. just total vile greed
they should just be forced to give up their members' living to women just
because women are women and men are secondary.
> the full extent of opportunities are not open to
> her because of her gender?
HA HA HA HA HAH A!
o shih
i'm dyin ovah heah!
I thought you were serious all this time!
"not open to her because of gender"
you are top shelf comedy man.
lol
yer great. you really had me goin, i admit it
>Just as you would be if the opposite were true?
"if"!
oh stop! stop! yer killin me!
>Your assertion that women dominate the tech field
"assertion"
i guess you'll have to remind me where I asserted that.
> I've worked now at three technical companies
>(now's where you dismiss me
no i dismisss cuz you don't know anything about life and death.
you are in an ivory tower of upper echelon economic class.
good for you. you are blest.
why are you concerned with what this here low-life commoner has experienced?
I mean, you live in one of the richest counties in the world.
I am really curious and have not a clue on your interest in me, after sweeping
millions of expendable males under rug.
> because i am a woman and work in a tech field
> and therefore, most people in the tech field must be women)
wow would i say that?
wow i am like so totally small-minded i can't believe it
what an unreasonable person
> Silicon Valley offices are in marketing and administrative assitant
> positions, and (most of) the men are in senior management and technology.
you are wrong.
i have case after case of technological woman around here, programmers, coders,
dB experts, CEO's even dyke molecular biologists.
all who took advantage of the opportunities given them and got ahead.
opportunities denied me.
>There's nothing wrong with marketing,
well, is there or isn't there?
women should be in marketing because the world is about women
so if you want to grease a deal, you have to be the popular gender, not the Bad
gender.
what comapnies have to do to get by.
> technology is
> men's work.
coming to an end.
women are realizing they do not have sex drive clouding their minds and they can
more easily learn difficult disciplines than their needy male counterparts that
they are displacing.
> If you want to take a gender headcount of CEOs
yes, interesting how you women keep a small handful of guys up there so as to
maintain underdog status and further yourselves with it on a moral platform.
brilliant strategy, i concede
but i don't live only within the top couple percent as you do so the reasoning
doesn't work on me.
> "women are everywhere and they're all conspiring to beat me down"
i don't blame women for getting ahead.
and i simply do not exist.
i wish i had the significance that someone would conspire against me.
but see, a big part of the woman ticket is this and that is unfair to women and
must be addressed from an implied moral standpoint
meanwhile i am dying and dispossed but no one is concerned about males, just
women is all anyone cares about.
> glasses
okay, you say I am perceiving with filering.
your problem is its two-way.
if i am you are too
you cannot get away with I am bias and you are Fact.
no
> majority of workers in challenging, integral, well-paid positions
> are male
yes as long as you stay up there in your upper 5%, yes it's so.
tell me; did you move to the DC area just so this would be true in your
environment?
or are you looking for mr. big provider on some level?
> It's changing gradually and I don't deny that,
> and I hope it continues to change
and that my kind die off when totally supplanted by women.
thank you for agreeing and credit for your honesty.
> unsupported by any evidence whatsoever
then neither is yours.
>except your own observations
ditto
> which I noted before are very, very biased.
ditto
>But of course, you don't agree.
nor disagree
my aren't we a well-poisoner!
you are like reading my mind.
you know what i am going to think before I think it
>My observations are probably biased too, but yours are more so.
that is funny!
you found a way to attempt to maintain your invalidation of me.
slap knee
> Now's where you say "yes you do hate men"
no; a lil over-zealous there ms. poison
women don't hate men because men have no bearing, other than the few real rich
ones.
and you can't hate those, you need one of them to become your Big Mr Provider.
tell me as aside, how is that going to work?
all women get to marry the few rich guys
i know that is what will happen because i see women's confidence about this.
they do not ever have to acknowledge any guy not making double what they are.
i'm taking that at face value.
will the world return to polygamy?
or will all women just go gay and asexual?
or a mix of that?
how is it going to work when there are just a few men left alive and women are
no longer completely priceless and coveted?
well, no matter, i won't live to see it.
curious point though
> I
> want to date men
ooooooooooo!
lemme guess; you are seeing some foreign guy right now named "Natchoo" (repeat
it)
> given that they just scored 4 verbs
ooooo-er!
got that word "scored" in there!
deft!
Must be that Girly mag skill.
> disenfranchised or victimized
so yer not?> It seems almost to me like what you really want to fight
> is a class war, not a gender war
i don't want to fight any war.
> get along with the men who don't fear and hate me a
> lot better than the those who do.
ooooo-est!
> But I have plenty of close male friends with whom I share a
> great mutual respect, and that makes me happy.
just curious; do they ever look at your butt or anything when you're not
looking? No? Never? You are absolutely certain?
Okay, I'll accept that, since if I said anything else I would be viewing with
bias.
> And it makes me want to
> write to you to convince you it's possible
i'm not in your 100k-entry world.
i'm goin down.
nothing is "possible"
if you are sincere that you wish happiness onto a non-important person then
thanks albeit it is mysterious.
> even though I suspect your pathology
i love your insults
this is the best i have ever ever received
you are comletely unabashed in your complete putting down of me.
"women are not against men (but I am just pathological at the outset)"
can i call you "Barbara"? or just "Barb"?
> is not going to allow my piddling little email to change it.
yes, completely my own doing that i have been written out of the script of
life.
has nothing to do with any aspect of the world, I just made it up all on my own
and did it.
out of my own pathology
no life experiences or circumstances or real events precipitated my feelings.
> Not every woman's life is more fulfilling and easier than yours.
i would like to meet such a person.
maybe not; I would like her and that would hurt.
> what is stopping you from taking the
> reins and making your life better?
why yes, just positive thinking and life just instantly becomes great.
how could i have forgotten
if you are cripple, you can still win a triathalon if you just think positive!
Life is just all a game of attitude.
and since mine is bad i have purposefully and consciously formulated my own
hell.
you said it
> No woman is stopping you
the final decision of anything always rests with a woman
> think women are stopping men, why are they not stopping all those other men
>who no doubt also have lives more fulfilling and easier than your own
cuz they are mr. provider types.
alpha-males
>other 40% of the workforce, those men who have fulfilling relationships
you should write sci fi.
your imagination is fantastic.
> it's fairly clear, some women really
> fucked with your head
a few people have conjected this of late.
it is not so
no woman has directly fucked with my head.
I have nothing but reverent love for my ex's, if that's what you mean
just that anymore i do not count in any manner to any woman
except the one at work who is clueless and i have to do about half her work
while she gets the same pay.
> and maybe they continue to do so because they sense
> your hatred of them and don't want to be around that
there is no they
i would love to meet a woman that would hate a man who has contempt for her
rather than rushing in to reward his contempt with respect and more.
I have tried being an asshole to interest women in me.
it works of course, but, i am not happy with being liked for being an asshole.
my heart is not in it and i cannot keep going with it
>but that victim mentality is what's holding you back, not women.
holding me back from what, may i ask?
(talk about generalizations....)
>with/respect women
yes, unfortunately i respect women and look to regard them as equals.
they have made me pay dearly for this infraction.
how intuitive of you to sense that i do.
> you're just not qualified for the job you're trying for
i am a fucking hero on my job, industry renowned now, best my company has ever
seen.
>after women that are shallow
there are no women to go after.
and before you pass off your status quo projection onto this screen, first of
all anyone i was attracted to was from something they said i.e. I found them
deep.
second of all, if I have any particular thing I like on the superficial side
about women, it is big shoulders and bones.
> stop trying to overpower
and then you miss something like this after your intuition about the other
"overpower" -- I guess you are projecting your own issues with men onto me.
oh well, i will provide that, part of the therapy of misogyny.com even though it
is completely wrong
I acknowledge that other men's attempt at overpowering things can be trying.
>with the women in your life
"the women in my life"
this is by far the most hurtful, assaulting note i have ever and likely will
ever get.
i apreciate it it has really made my day.
i think you would be upset if you were aware how truly fultilled it has made
me.
here i was all alone on yet another week-end night with nothing and no one and
now i am smiling and laughing.
i am grateful
> and start thinking about why hating women is self-defeating
what, do you write self-help positive thinking lit?
defeat always comes from within.
there is only self-defeat, no other kind.
the Tibetans deliberately brought the Chinese into their country and
orchestrated their own defeat.
the Chinese were hapless pawns.
No outside force cna ever defeat anyone.
how silly of me to lower my head earlie tonight when there were shots outside.
if i just choose not to self-defeat then i cannot be defeated by anything.
I i got hit in the head by a stray round it would be because i deliberately
caused it to defeat myself.
> and try to change your attitude, and then maybe you'll get
> further in life, and feel fulfilled.
yes, how convenient an escape, but how status quo.
people's attitudes are not the result of what happened to them but rather they
were that way to begin with and caused these events.
you should work with kids -- you would do a good job of really messing up their
minds with this kind of insensitive blame-the-victim-fest.
You did est, right?
>If you publish any of this
no; your insulting tai-chi is too advanced for the average reader.
also it is too long.
we are in an era of the short attention span.
also, i don't see where anything you write helps anyone process any feelings, a
major goal of mine.
a few weeks ago a long-time woman correspondant logged in to a chat session with
me.
I got her to tell me all about being raped that she had never told anyone
about.
I got her to go talk to other women about it and work through it.
She seems a lot less burdened now.
This is the type of things my site is about.
processing.
insults are fun and entertaining but I'd like to keep the site more in a
processing-aid format.
a lot of people have a lot of hurt around the gender war and i feel for them,
male or female
> there are some psychos out there that share your views and may have a more
violent way of expressing it.
yes the sacred female can always just brush everything off with how all these
virulent males out there respresent this implied threat, yet another woman
burden that women have heroically championed over from their underdog status
against these overwhelming odds.
yep. you got it good.
i can't do anything like that.
Thank you for visiting and the huge tome.
I have really had a good time with this message.
I have not thought about how depressing life is for about two hours now.
But all good things must come to an end.
let's see if you addr is for real.
I guess i have others to try now if this one doesn't work.
